Deskilling IV - Video “Et al.”


Video didn't Kill the Radio Star, Ai Kills them All. But still using Tube Amps. - S.
Just to be clear. The robot can't move, but the AI sits in the device at the back left.



S. 2/2024



You have every right to be scared ! The 21th century will be full of threats. AI is one of them, that’s a given.


Sora could ruin peoples lifes



February 18, 2024, 3:14am 1

You guys are going to end so many careers for people. Photographers, artists, animators, filmmakers, and possibly even actors. Being in these industry’s is hard already, and now with this people might not have jobs anymore.

The technology is interesting and very unique, and it’s amazing to see how far it’s come but I wish AI would advance in other careers than ones that people are passionate about. And not just this, what if people Create videos of others doing crimes that they did not commit. Will we be able to tell the difference between AI and reality? Will there be laws put in place? Will the world fall apart because of this?

I’m 16 years old, I’m planning to go to college to become an animator. It has been my life’s dream to become an animator and to share my artwork with people, to create, to show love in every piece I make. And now, I don’t think I’m ever going to have that future.

I’m scared.

Diet February 18, 2024, 3:31am 2

Welcome to the community!

I see two ways this pans out for creative people

  1. Human art as a luxury. There is an inherent cost to “real”, handcrafted things. Artists have always struggled to turn that into value, and it’s quite possible that you’ve just missed out on a golden era of industrialized art and entertainment. While this is unfortunate, I don’t think it kills human art.

  2. Elevation. Instead of creating, you may instead need to direct. You need to select, curate, and decide what people find aesthetic. While this will likely also be automated in the long term, it’s probably one of the near-term solutions that will eventually fold into point 1.

While it would be incredibly nice to earn money doing what you love, that applies to only a tiny fraction of society. AI might facilitate UBI if we’re lucky*, in which case you could probably do whatever you want even if you can’t monetize your art.


*maybe that’s some luck you can help create, put your fear to work

I am 68 years old, on the opposite spectrum of life’s journey. At your age, I had the same passion to be a writer. But when personal computers became available just a few years later, that passion changed to becoming a computer programmer. I’ve been doing that ever since.

My point is:

  1. Don’t lose your passion. Learn everything you can about this new technology and figure out how to use it to make your dream come true.

  2. Be open to life’s changes. It may seem like nothing will ever change your mind, but no one knows the future. People change, the world changes, and as unbelievable as it may sound, you may one day become passionate about something else.

When Sam Altman announced the new GPTs and Assistants technologies, everybody who had been developing RAG applications for the previous year freaked out. I didn’t. I, as a RAG (sometimes called “Wrapper”) developer saw it as a unique opportunity. And so far, I haven’t been wrong.

So, SORA might just be your opportunity. Use it to CREATE and show that love in every piece you create.

Agha.khan February 18, 2024, 5:09am 4

Like in the time when typewriter was invented, plan text stenographers were threatened, but typewriter created new jobs like “typist” for them. Similarly, computers brought new jobs to plan typists.

In the same way, not going to far future, this new wave of AI will open a new paradigm of even newer jobs for almost all classic careers. One of them is the Prompt Engineer, and in future, there will be prompt engineers that will design AI systems ranging from medicine to engineering fields and film and multimedia industry will also fit in between.

Imagine, while studying medicine, doctors will be taught prompt engineering to their specific domain that will again bring domain-specific prompting for surgeons and clinicians.

Similarly, an artist or digital artist will be taught their domain specific prompt engineering.

In simple words, see it like a gulf between man and machine, yesterday it was pure machine language to interact with computers and it kept evolving and brought second, third and forth generation languages like BASIC, C, C++ and python etc, and now, this gulf is even reduced to direct communication with machine using your own mother tongue.

Think about in times of Shakespeare, theatre or stage artists used to perform everything physically. But when cinema :film_projector::movie_camera: came, same theater artists jumped into the screen. Now, even today, the norm for the cinematography and multimedia is the screen, and audiences do not concern if the artists or characters are real or fake/ virtual (as after the advent of virtual reality and realistic rendering). One or the other way, Sora and similar AI based art generating models will replace the manual or semi-manual modelling, rigging, animation skills (hand-or mouse controlled) with direct text based skills (promoting).

Now imagine, tomorrow this gulf would even be reduced and bring your thoughts to reality without even writing a prompt (bci).

I wish you a wonderful career ahead good luck.

jr.2509 February 18, 2024, 5:51am 5

It’s ok to be scared but look at all the opportunities. Imagine an art installation where you leverage Sora’s capabilities to create new experiences for people. It presents a new way to express your creativity.

We all have to go with the flow and reconsider how to integrate AI into our work. Try to think of it as “You and Sora” instead of “You vs Sora”.

Best of luck!

Imagine you are featured in an art gallery, and your installation simply takes the persons picture, and renders an artistic video with them in it as the video art on the wall. (Looks like Sora could do this).

So you have to change from creator, as in meticulously creating a film for each person “by hand”, to now guiding an AI model, with your influence to do it for you.

The rub comes in when what the AI creates doesn’t meet your expectations … so here you still have opportunities to create things yourself, without AI, it just may not scale as far, or have the same high acceleration as the AI assisted version.

So if you like AI, use it. If you don’t, then create it.

You have the amazing opportunity to witness the development of a new technology from its inception and over a very long period of time. I envy you for this chance. Don’t view it as an enemy, but rather as something that can help you realize your ideas. By the way, I am 56 years old. So, I’m not about to fall off my chair. But I do wish AI for the general public had arrived a decade or two earlier. :wink:

The era is now shifting towards creativity, moving away from the challenges of grappling with technical complexities or skill acquisition. Artificial Intelligence (AI) heralds the end of the traditional, laborious journey of skill development and practice. The emphasis is now on conceptualizing animation characters—envisioning their appearance, defining their unique features, contemplating possible behaviors, and understanding how these factors contribute to entertainment. In contrast to the past, where animation jobs were contingent upon securing contracts for movies or web series, individuals can now pioneer their own projects with friends or adapt text-based novels into captivating web series. This innovation extends to educational content, particularly in fields like medicine and chemistry, where complex concepts can be simplified and visualized through video, making learning more intuitive. Far from eliminating jobs, AI is poised to expand the job market significantly, unlocking unprecedented opportunities. I am optimistic about the boundless possibilities this creativity will unleash.

I agree this is revolutionary and it will absolutely shake up Hollywood.

But, you can’t stuff the genie back in the bottle.

I have friends who work in Hollywood- editors, directors, support folks. I messaged my editor friend this morning and explained to him how Sora works and why he needs to understand this technology. I told him he has a creative advantage because he understands film. He knows what makes a beautiful shot and what brings emotional impact to a scene and why that scene works or why it doesn’t. A novice filmmaker does not have this tribal knowledge.

I advice him to learn how to write a prompt, but didn’t use the words prompt engineering. That term is very off-putting and folks in Hollywood are very sensitive about AI. I advised him to learn how to write a few very good sentences to communicate what the F—K he wanted like he was talking to C-3PO so that the droid didn’t ask hiim a million follow-up questions to clarify.

Congratulations on your life story, keep fighting for your dream…

We are in this world to be happy with our dreams come true, success. :grinning: :pray: :rocket: :rocket:

The steam engine drove the rapid development of the industrial textile industry. It did not destroy them. On the contrary, its power accelerated and formed better results. Although cars have brought horses back to the grasslands, horseback riders have learned to drive, allowing people to shorten their time and go further to realize their dreams earlier. Complex emotions cannot be replaced by AI. You can draw a picture or input your complex emotions to form a beautiful picture. The value that people who see the picture get also comes from the emotions conveyed in the picture. You may have missed the art of industrialization, which is a good thing for you. AI will also give you motivation to speed up the results you want. Your drawing process and AI dictation are collaborative because they are both your production process. You will experience happiness in either way. Maybe you don’t have too many technical challenges but you gain more opportunities to communicate with readers. time.

vagamundo February 18, 2024, 5:10pm 13

You’re forgetting that 100 years ago photographers and filmmakers ended the careers of most of the illustrators, story tellers and theater companies of their time. And everybody adjusted, and storytelling and image making exploded, entering a golden age. There are still amazing portrait painters and theater companies today, but they are specialized art forms and most people have moved on. Today’s photography and filmmaking are going to undergo a similar evolution. And as an avid photographer, I can’t wait.

The reality in these advancements of generative AI are combining industries and reducing labor.

Also, a massive issue not spoken about is trying to work off of the artwork. It’s not like Dall-E or Sora produces layers and some sort of editable structure that can be worked off. It’s a finished rendered project.

It’s so much easier to prompt something than learn the skill and we typically take the path of least resistance, especially as children.

Take my nephews for example. One started making movies at a young age, another comics. Now one is a director and the other a game artist. I programmed at a young age. None of us would have bothered struggling & practicing if they could just prompt it and be done.

Once upon a time it was someone’s job to wake others up. Then alarm clocks came. So I can see this argument. But I just want people who have jobs that took a long time of practice and discipline at a young age and if they would have done it if it could be done via prompt.

I also work globally, and seeing more jobs becoming global. It’s already a very saturated market that, well, for someone who lives (relatively) expensively it becomes much much more difficult to even start making money.

I do think it’s the future and worth discussing though ,:raised_hands:

N2U February 18, 2024, 6:22pm 15

Are you sure? In that scenario everyone else would also have the ability to “just prompt it and be done”, but it would still take skills and effort to rise above the rest.

I’m not too worried though. Every time a new technology has made things quicker and easier, it has led to an increase in overall productivity. :laughing:

I’m not, entirely.

I just wonder if I was a kid if I would have bothered spending days writing cout <<, being so frustrated & confused if GPT would have written it for me. That’s just programming!

I think everyone here that extensively uses generative AI has kind of overextended or over handed the responsibility to it and then found themself in a pile of unusable, or derailed work. Again, that’s just programming! Raw content!

Then I think about how ruthless kids are. I use to make stick figure animations using flash and post on Newgrounds. Like, here I am drawing stick figures while everyone else is creating insane Hollywood-grade content through a couple words

Honestly it’s not that serious.
Sora can create video no longer than 1 minutes and the photos chat GPT generate are easily identifiable.

Beside we gotta move with time, that’s the basic nature of all living organisms (or as a 1930’s housemaid would word it, It’s all about technology)

darneluin February 18, 2024, 6:49pm 18


You have to keep up with the new age. In 1995 they opened the internet to the world and now artificial intelligence.

The lesson here is to bring artificial intelligence into your life and make money with it.

I agree. I can animate, but the hard part is the CGI and VFX effects.

Finally (I hope) Sora can help me achieve it (ofc I cannot show my raw animation talents but I’d take it over blank sketches!

N2U February 18, 2024, 7:02pm 20

It’s a fair point, on the other hand, seeing how easy GPT could do it might inspire you to start learning yourself. I used to play around with electronic music, which inspired me to learn how to play an actual instrument :thinking:

I think the open-source community has surpassed OpenAI in terms of how controllable and hands-on you can be with AI. I believe that’s the direction to take for practical work. Prompting your way to 30-second video clips won’t be usable to create a movie, no matter how good the model is.


It’s not what you think. You are the one who still has a chance to choose in the future. And the emergence of AI is something that will definitely happen as long as humans are a race that creates conveniences for itself. Even if there is no Sora, there must be another AI. Even if there is no AI, there must be another technology.

You speak and think like a group of people who have talked about impact in education and research. Let’s conclude that people will rely only on AI to the point of having no brains, even though they are people who don’t have brains to even understand AI problems. How difficult is it to apply AI? The person using it must also have sufficient skills.


Former Disney animator here: you have nothing to worry about. These are the SAME exact anxieties and concerns that we went through in the industry when everything switched from traditional 2D animation to 3D. If you love the artform, you will undoubtedly find a way to adapt and continue to express yourself, regardless of what inventions end up on the scene.

Your ability to express yourself is about to be magnified to unimaginable heights.

Brief example: I love the art of a good story. When I was a kid, I loved text-based adventure games because you could be “inside” the story. So I taught myself BASIC and built my first Zork-clone. I even taught myself Assembly language because I read somewhere that was faster.

Well, one night, after 12 hours of coding, I forgot to save my work. This was before autosave or even Ctrl+S was a thing (it was on my dad’s 64K PC). I cried for a couple of hours and vowed never to touch a computer again.

So, of course, I decided to become a Disney animator because I thought, “There’s no way a computer could ever do animation.” :clown_face:

I picked up a pencil, got into CalArts, and ended up at Disney a couple of months after The Lion King was released. I had finally achieved my dreams.

Less than two months after being hired, I was called into the theater to watch the opening sequence of Toy Story when Andy gets Buzz Lightyear. We all walked out of the theater stunned–probably the same way you felt after watching those Sora demos. “How was that even possible?” “Well, at the very least, our animation is better. 3D will never be as good as 2D.”

More :clown_face:

There are scenes in Encanto that eclipse anything ever animated with a pencil. There will be scenes animated with Sora that will eclipse Encanto.

The important thing is what lies within you and your heart.

I learned 3D after leaving Disney to go work at Dreamworks. And I was one of the better animators there because of everything I had learned in the 2D world. I cared very deeply at the artform and it showed through my work. Even though I was using a mouse instead of a pencil, I was able to carry everything I had learned prior into the next stage of creative expression.

Which brings us to the OpenAI Developer forum. Why the heck am I here now?

It all leads back to that original love for great storytelling.

When I went back to animate for Disney, I began to do story consulting for various projects. I had discovered a theory of narrative along the way that I knew would address all the problems of production (I.e., not figuring out the story until the last two months of production!). The success I had helping people write better stories motivated me to strike out on my own and setup my own business. But the success I had there required me to find a way to scale my expertise and reach.

So I taught myself backend and frontend engineering, built my own app, rolled it out, and have been running that full-time for over six years now.

In April of 22 I added GPT-3, stunned with what was possible just by calling out to something called ‘text-davinci-003’. In February of 23, I delivered a virtual version of myself through OpenAI’s Chat Completion APIs, stunned by what was possible just six weeks earlier with ChatGPT. Greg’s GPT-4 napkin demo stunned me–and weeks later my app’s “intelligence” grew by leaps and bounds with ‘gpt-4’. The Summer saw function calling, the Fall image generation APIs, forced JSON, and 128K context windows–all stunning revelations in their own right.

You have to get used to the fact that the hopeless stunned sensation you feel in the pit of your stomach is an indication that things are about to get really really great.

Looking back, EVERY perceived “setback” along my timeline was just preparation for an even better way to creatively express myself. I’m actually kind of jealous of where you are and what you have to look forward to. I’m super grateful for all of my experiences, but they’re nothing compared to what you’re going to be able to do and create.

One last thing: I used to teach at CalArts, so I also have experience watching 19 and 20-year old students blossom into professional artists–some of whom were even nominated for Oscars! Those who succeeded did so in spite of technological advances or shifts in the culture: they walked in with a driving passion to express themselves and were determined to share their vision of the world by any means necessary.

Hold on to that and everything else will work itself out.

(PS - I wrote more about this a year ago when ChatGPT came out: The Existential Threat of AI for Artists: A Personal Perspective)


Welcome to the community mate, I couldn’t agree more!

Former Disney animator here: you have nothing to worry about. (…), you will undoubtedly find a way to adapt and continue to express yourself, regardless of what inventions end up on the scene.

Your ability to express yourself is about to be magnified to unimaginable heights.


Side question: aren’t you the guy who animated the elephant from Tarzan?


Agree. I think creativity will always exist and just be on different levels.

I just wonder. With these releases its all the same concept: prompts. Maybe it’s fair to consider these OpenAI releases like tech demos. Once we can fine-tune models, create frameworks it will become more… Interesting.

Yet, these are all defined by two positions. Programming & data science. Not animations, graphic design. So when computers first blew up there was a plethora of new positions being released.

Could data science & programming become much more focused & nuanced then? Where does an animator fit here in a already competitive global market?

So it, to me, feels like the release of computers opened a massive branch of positions, while AI is churning them all together into the same concept of prompting.

I’m considering this from a holistic view, from someone who competes globally for contracts. It’s already hard to get a foot in.

I don’t like the argument of “niche markets”. That’s an exception. I have no doubt that consistency and coherent models will be achieved. Sure, a small percent of people still want that human touch (Cuphead was awesome) but that doesn’t really justify to anyone to invest their future into an industry mostly dominated by AI.

Lastly. The pit in the stomach is not an indicator for greatness. Job loss is happening rapidly for multiple reasons, AI being one. I wonder if we will hit a dot com boom


Learn to adapt with the times. Never restrict unless there is a risk to life.

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Job loss is happening rapidly for multiple reasons, AI being one

That’s why we have to always be up to date and learning more and more so as not to let artificial intelligence that is coming to leave us behind.

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Still need artists to craft the vision into reality, can an AI make a cat look sad? sure, but can the film maker get the AI to do it in the way they want? same as it’s ever been, probably not. That’s why people work collaboratively with experts in required fields. I can see a lot of the grunt work being AI’d away, but the act of creation to a requirement is a skill humans excel at.


I can’t disagree more.

Picture yourself as a young journalist, or a young artist. You have spent years practicing, to only see AI completely shadow your talent and continue to evolve. Not only that, it potentially uses your work for training data.

In every industry AI is blowing up. Is much cheaper, easier to use, generates rapidly at any hour, doesn’t lose patience, speaks all languages etc etc.

AI can and will reach a point where you can wireframe something and it will paint on top of it. It’s already happening. It will get better and it will demolish anybody trying to accomplish it organically.

Regardless. Even if this was the case the end result is really hard to work off of.

So sure, “experts in the field” will get paid, tons. The issue is that the “grunts” will be non-existent & experts are demanded less. Income will be consolidated. This has already happened with industries moving towards automation. “But what about the mechanics and maintenance”. Whatever.

There needs to be some massive shift to accomodate this and nobody seems to care about it.

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There needs to be some massive shift to accomodate this and nobody seems to care about it.

AI might facilitate UBI if we’re lucky*

To be fair, I personally care more about saving my own skin than trying to save society from itself. Because while the former, realistically, looks bleak, the latter seems nigh impossible.

But I’ll encourage anyone who’s brave enough to try.

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You are not scared of becoming the animator. You are just not aware that in the real world as animator you are just a part of the team of approximately 40-200 people and there will be no such great demand for animators any longer. I have went through the same when Canva showed up and my graphic design career start to collapse. No one needs a Graphic Designers any longer when you can get logo and branding for free. In my example I have reinvented myself learn trainings on Udemy and Masterclass, I have learned prompting and using AI. If OpenAI will not share Text to Video LLM like Sora then Chinese programmers will do it. You can’t fight the wave so learn how to surf :man_surfing:t2: Maybe that’s your call to take your time and seriously look into yourself and find what is truly and authentically yours. And when you will find it then you will not care is there any new technology which could copy your art because your art is your art. Look, sun doesn’t care will it stop shine in millions of years it’s just shine it’s brightness. Be like the Sun and shine with your authentic story. If you need some guidance I am reading this book recently “The Emotion Code” by Dr. Bradley Nelson. Everything will be easier after you will read it. Trust yourself and thrive.

Indeed, even the finest tools or systems are just that—a means to an end—without the guiding hand of a disciplined craftsman or a visionary artist. While forms evolve, the essence remains unchanged: captivating art that seizes attention and, with delicate finesse, weaves a narrative of human emotions.

You can’t fight the wave so learn how to surf :man_surfing:t2:

As a surfer, love it :heart_eyes: :call_me_hand:t3:.

I think anybody here - who is aware of what’s happening will do really well. It’s a crazy time to be in

If you go to school to learn the art of animation, or any discipline that is manifested through motion image, don’t worry about your future. Sora is just another tool like an Arri camera, a Wacom tablet, a Mole-Richardson 5k or Adobe Premier.

The real skill you seek by aspiring to be an animator is storytelling. You will get production work by demonstrating not only have you mastered the tools and have talent as an innovative storyteller.

Yes, technology will change production in a profound way by the time you graduate. Study the art of storytelling, and do not ignore or fear new tools and technology. The fact that you’re here posing such questions suggests a seriousness about making your own future. There will be opportunities- be ready to adapt to and exploit any advancements in the generative space as it applies to your work.

Start your reel now if you haven’t already. Re-cut it as your skills develop, and do it often. Use generative content when it makes sense within your workflow. Tell your stories, in your own way. Good luck.


hey, don’t be so pessimistic; I don’t think AI will take your job, especially a job that requires tons of creativity. I think it will fundamentally change the way you work, though; it will be your best assistant, cheap, loyal, capable, and always available.
Will AI kill jobs? maybe, but new technology also creates opportunities as well. remember, there were also no movies or actors before.
stay curious and be open minded.

I’m hoping for some sort of initiative to encourage younger artists to sell their work for training… Maybe? Someone has got to fuel the fire :man_shrugging:t3:

Year I felt a lot of fear… With the use of SORA, as a designer it’s clear that many of us will transition into content creators although mainly serving as operators—individuals who generate content without requiring extensive knowledge or expertise. Presently my performance has evolved compared to year to the extent that removing intelligence from the process seems nearly impossible. From crafting scenarios to editing films, photos and animations everyone has become reliant, on AI. Throughout history humans have always sought convenience and ways to simplify tasks. Despite Iran facing embargoes and inflation issues I remain unafraid. Committed to pursuing dreams. Consider altering your path; there’s no need to walk when the metro has been invented.

people said the exact same thing when generative ai images first came out stop crying please if anything it is just goin to allow creators to get easier access to stock footage cuz at the end ai cannot replace the creativity of humans. U should focus on finishing ur studies rn rather than being concerned bout how ai is gonna ruin jobs

I don’t think you need to be afraid, the benefits of technological progress will always be greater than the destruction of them.

I understand your fears and concerns regarding the rapid development of AI technology impacting creative fields like animation, art, and filmmaking. While AI has made impressive strides in recent years, it still cannot replicate the genuine passion, creativity, emotions, and originality that human beings bring to artistic endeavors.
Being an animator myself I can understand your fear but all these years working in this field i know one thing AI or any Human Tech cannot generate emotions in a artwork it takes your whole to create art like that which inspires people make them to look at it, think about it . So in my perspective you shouldn’t worry about because it’s the part of the process to get evolved by time Although i think if you use more brains & less emotions AI might help you to get your work done in less time.
#Throw your fear outside of the window & go be whatever you want to be. I know you would be a great animator or whatever you want to be. Just keep in mind to evolve with (Time, Technology & Situation)


You have every right to be scared !

The 21th century will be full of threats. AI is one of them, that’s a given.

Once the emotion you feel now will recide enough, use your time to learn what you can about AI : how you can use it to be more productive, how you can be stronger, better, and so on.

The future is defintely not as clear as the one your parents had.
You can’t change the course of history. But you can change how you view it and how you plan to adapt, how you will try to make the most of it.
As we all need to do !

I know it’s quite a challenge for someone of your age. But I sincerly hope you’ll be able to succeed !

I hope my message helped ! :slight_smile:

I think anybody here - who is aware of what’s happening will do really well. It’s a crazy time to be

Unique moment, I thought I wouldn’t even live to see it all

I am a 3d artist too but never got a job in it. To satisfy my interest, I do it as my side work.

Also I changed my career to business admin.

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Regardless of the platform you choose for your art, whether it be on a Sora, in Blender, or elsewhere, the decision of publication always remains yours, and artistic taste is consistently valued here.